Re: Sydney School for Self Knowledge
Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:05 pm
Thanks Tootsie and Ella for your help re the book. I will follow your suggestions....probably go for the copy in Sydney.
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Ahamty2 wrote:You certainly learn from your experiences and become much stronger human beings for it.
Ella.M.C. wrote:Confronting Mrs Mavro in regards to things I had been told that were serious allegations about them, led to long interrogations demanding I repeat every word said by who ..
Middle Way wrote: I have to say that I still think that on a couple of occasions Mrs Mavro was genuinely perplexed about why students don't speak up in her classes. If she has no interest in the students answering and just wants to talk herself to do all the controlling, why would she even ask the question? MW
There is a term that describes a condition where one is incapable of feeling the hurtful effects that their speech/actions have on others.
My experience in this final meeting with DL was a stark contrast to how I'd been spoken to my entire life in SES. I felt judged, blackmailed, sent away almost with a curse/negativity hanging over me. I find it hard to accept that I spent 25 years [from birth] in the School, unquestioning, giving everything, unconditionally, complying, absorbing, serving, practicing, taking tutors their tea at 5.30 in the morning, ironing their underwear [we used to put out completely non-matching clothes for them to wear at Tea Bath Change, and see if they'd come down in them!]. I immediately told my parents about what happened, but my mum [who is in SES] said he was probably speaking from a point of fear, and it must be hard for him when promising young people leave so suddenly. She then left SES briefly due to illness [brought on partly psychologically from giving so much of her life/time to the School] but then rejoined. I was disappointed when she rejoined. If I had a daughter I could never be involved in an organisation that had said anything like that to her.
Earlgrey wrote:I mean they introduce the word practical into the organisation's name to nullify the fact that there is virtually no philosophy in the place. They read a bit of Plato, introduce the word dialectic into their vocab and they are experts.
ManOnTheStreet wrote:At no point did we attack each other personally or say "well, who's asking?" or anything of the sort. I have found it to be an educative experience and quite frankly, I know more about MW now than I ever did in the School. There is no way in which I lost my 'spiritual integrity' by doing this. The experience was entirely positive.
Middle Way wrote:But the invitation is still there for our other points to be talked about. The fear and hypocrisy at SFSK for starters. If what we say is untrue then pick up the phone or come onto this forum in the spirit of Truth and explain why there is no hypocrisy in the school. Point out our error. As a very wise man once said: “if I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil; but if well, why smitest thou me?”
Middle Way wrote:And so we both encourage the silent browsers to contact us, for a similar positive experience. But you won’t, because of your fear that Mrs M would berate and threaten you (which she would) for breaking some cardinal rule that when someone leaves SFSK they magically become “bad company” (when 10 seconds before leaving the place they were “good company”) and therefore must now be shunned. A rule which is not explained to anybody in their first few years at SFSK. If this rule is the Truth, why is it not explained when people first join up? Ditto for so many other "rules" which suddenly appear down the track.
Middle Way wrote:The fear of talking to us is too great for you. Grown-up, intelligent adults with years and years of life experience and masses of spiritual learnings and practices frightened of having an open and friendly exchange of views with two people who wouldn’t hurt a fly in an atmosphere free from fear, judgment and negativity - just because someone else told them not to. Ridiculous isn’t it! - and a very poor advertisement for the benefits of attending SFSK in the longer term.
Tootsie wrote:Reading some of the posts about the SFSK it seems there is a lot of fear and not much love. The blame seems to be directed at Mrs Mavro or some of the tutors.
Tootsie wrote:Many years ago after attending a residential weekend at Mount Wilson I asked Mr Mavro why he put idiots in charge of organizing the activities at the residential? After admonishing me for using the word idiots he explained it was because thats what the absolute sent him.
Tootsie wrote:Jesus said the most effective way of achieving this is through love - love of GOD, love for humans, even for those who have harmed us.
Tootsie wrote:Eventually I left the SOP but could always drop by the Mavro's house at Neutral Bay for a cup of tea and a chat. Mrs Mavro was interested in my spiritual path even though I was no longer interested in the Vedanta teachings. For those wishing to talk with her I'm sure a meeting could be arranged but only if your intentions are genuine, playing the blame game would not be helpful.
Tootsie wrote:I can also see Schools point of view about not allowing contact with the people that leave. Most people that leave have some negativity about why they left, so to allow contact would bring this negativity into the groups consciousness. In my opinion this would not really be a bad thing because it may wake up some of the sleepers.