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by Abel Holzing
Tue Dec 14, 2004 8:29 pm
Forum: Housekeeping
Topic: Okay, we're going to change to registered users only.
Replies: 32
Views: 56660

Hi Daffy It can't be an objective moderator's job to block certain contributions on grounds that they might undermine the credibility of others. Abel, once again you completely miss the point. Where exactly did Mike say this? Go back and read carefully exactly what Mike has said in this thread and y...
by Abel Holzing
Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:01 pm
Forum: Housekeeping
Topic: Okay, we're going to change to registered users only.
Replies: 32
Views: 56660

Mike Thanks for replying. I am also rather surprised at your decision to prevent Matt / Sandra / etc from posting altogether. When we consider that perhaps children read here from the schools than we have to keep that in mind. Are you sure that this is your true motivation? I have a sneaking suspici...
by Abel Holzing
Mon Dec 13, 2004 4:19 am
Forum: Housekeeping
Topic: Okay, we're going to change to registered users only.
Replies: 32
Views: 56660

Mike I am also rather surprised at your decision to prevent Matt / Sandra / etc from posting altogether. When we consider that perhaps children read here from the schools than we have to keep that in mind. Are you sure that this is your true motivation? I have a sneaking suspicion that there is more...
by Abel Holzing
Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:53 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Humiliate them
Replies: 34
Views: 42760

Dear Katharine My understanding is that the terms for the inquiry are right now in the process of being agreed upon and finalised. The problem may be that this is the governors' enquiry - not the former pupils. It is an internal enquiry. Between whom are terms being agreed - school-internally, or be...
by Abel Holzing
Tue Nov 16, 2004 11:45 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: A Message from the new headmaster of St James
Replies: 130
Views: 145254

Dear Parent I ... agree as stated in some other postings that you should think carefully before withdrawing your child from the school - with all the disruption that would entail. I would advise that you get informed, read the SES website, read all the postings, take up Katherine's offer - but perha...
by Abel Holzing
Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:29 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897825

Re: Debenham following MacClaren's Orders

I suspect you're right about Mr. Rasmussen possibly having seen enough of education by force; but the point I was making is that his departure from the teaching staff of st james also had something to do with the fact that he had definitely chosen to depart from this ses - first. how does the law s...
by Abel Holzing
Tue Sep 07, 2004 7:54 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897825

I would, of course, love to believe that Debenham had had a massive change of heart and had started applying love to those in his care but the facts make this very difficult. He has never admitted that massive abuse took place at St Vedast and St James, let alone apologised for it. This shows conte...
by Abel Holzing
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:39 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897825

Tom But I'm really not sure how one can beat someone in a loving manner. Beating someone is about pain and humiliation. It is harmful and degrading whether the perpetrator believes it is accompanied by love or not. I certainly agree that anything that results in humiliation or degradation is harmful...
by Abel Holzing
Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:18 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897825

Tom I don't think love has anything to do with what went on at St Vedast except in the sense that Debenham and his fellow sadists loved beating and humiliating little boys. If Debenham really believes that what he did to us was loving then he's either sicker than I thought - a definite possibility, ...
by Abel Holzing
Tue Aug 31, 2004 7:53 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897825

Paul & Alban My belief is that Mr Debenham thought what he was doing was right and that he was trying to educate children. As he knows 'educate' comes from the Latin 'to lead'. His leadership oversaw pain and suffering. Perhaps in his retirement he will now realise from reading this and other ac...
by Abel Holzing
Wed Aug 18, 2004 12:48 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Does this forum help you get over the experience?
Replies: 22
Views: 30125

Hi TB Thank you for your response. I confess to being at a loss for words to respond with. I understand and recognise what you say and no disrespect intended, but I question how you 'know' you have connected with this 'inner truth' (I know the stock answer to this). It serves no purpose to ask you t...
by Abel Holzing
Sun Aug 15, 2004 3:47 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Does this forum help you get over the experience?
Replies: 22
Views: 30125

Hi TB Hi Abel, I understand, and agree, with your comment about vision versus version of the truth. I also understand, theoretically at least, with using inner truth as opposed to beliefs. I find that one of the keys to a ?practical? understanding is that you don?t ?use? inner truth, but think, feel...
by Abel Holzing
Sun Aug 08, 2004 5:42 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Does this forum help you get over the experience?
Replies: 22
Views: 30125

Hi TB I have a question/comment regarding your comment to Meikl ... the main tools in the "pursuit of truth" are your OWN vision of truth, developed and refined by personal judgement, your critical faculties and lots of scepticism. These you must never surrender, ESPECIALLY NOT in respect of any tea...
by Abel Holzing
Wed Jul 21, 2004 8:51 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Does this forum help you get over the experience?
Replies: 22
Views: 30125

Meikl/Abel, this thread is about whether this website helps former child pupils of St James and St Vedast get over the trauma, not about the experiences of consenting adult members of the SES who are free to leave at any time. If you have not been a prisoner of the children's schools the way Tom Gr...
by Abel Holzing
Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:04 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: Does this forum help you get over the experience?
Replies: 22
Views: 30125

Dear Meikl Thank you for your post and especially for speaking from the heart. Most current students (such as myself) and past students at the SES probably can relate to your "spinning head / emotions", brought about by that mixture of positive and negative experiences. Your positive experiences app...

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