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by grobchok
Wed Dec 15, 2004 3:20 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

Mike I think this will be my last post (mournful trumpet solo). My hope in posting here was not to defend abuses or an imperfect system, but to try to preserve some sense of proportion. But immoderate remarks from the moderator, presented as fact, make this impossible. Of course you don't have to ta...
by grobchok
Wed Dec 15, 2004 12:06 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

pouring oil on troubled flames

Mike I presume from our past exchanges that you don't have any recent first hand experience of what you are talking about, just a general aversion to what you hear. Forgive me if I am wrong on that. If so, why don't you play the moderator properly and let the people who have the experience say what ...
by grobchok
Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:08 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

who are??

Well, Mike, I am SES and I am most indignant that you lump us all together in this way, past, present and future!
by grobchok
Tue Dec 14, 2004 12:11 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

Vendetta?

Let's just say that the SES has damaged the integrity of what we want as individuals and/or families and we are coming to get you, and bring you down. TB, If, for the sake of argument, the serious actionable abuses had all happened within the context of St Vedast/St James, would it not be better to...
by grobchok
Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:19 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

babies and bathwater

Witness I am not afraid of inquiry and as far as I am concerned anything that helps to get rid of manipulative behaviour is positive. However, I am less sure than you that a public Inquiry asking the provocative question you suggest is going to help. My experience is limited to the past 18 years, in...
by grobchok
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:27 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

apologists

Hmm ... well that is an eye-opener. I had always thought that it was just a watchdog. Welllll ... perhaps I should stick to my own experience. I don't think the word 'cult' is appropriate today, although it may once have been somewhat merited. The problem with a 'cult' mentality (wherever you find i...
by grobchok
Mon Dec 13, 2004 8:13 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897254

every jester needs a court

Sandra I just realised who you are! You sly old dog ... using the SES to display your artworks, and then lighting up a spliff for a good old therapeutic rant. But consider this: how radical and way-out do you think your rants are in 'the real world'? Maybe your old Dad with his comical 'Post-Structu...
by grobchok
Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:38 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897254

taking it seriously

Sandra These allegations are being taken very seriously, to my knowledge. Hiring a QC to investigate, hear what people have to say on both sides, etc. is serious. The people involved are dreading it. As for MacLaren a fool ... I don't think anyone that knew him would say that. There is no doubt that...
by grobchok
Mon Dec 13, 2004 5:25 pm
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: TIME FOR A FULL S.E.S. INQUIRY
Replies: 55
Views: 81612

evidence not innuendo

I would like to support Erik in what he says. Objectively, the SES in the UK has been under the eye of INFORM, the cult watchdog, for quite some time. So far as I am aware, there was never enough to be concerned about to trigger action, and it might even have been removed from their list. The word '...
by grobchok
Mon Dec 13, 2004 11:08 am
Forum: St James and St Vedast
Topic: EXPERIENCES AT ST. VEDAST (now St. James) AND THE S.E.S
Replies: 604
Views: 897254

SES, St James, St Vedast

I would like to direct everyone's attention to the Tibetan Buddhist parent that recently posted. I think this is an exemplary approach to the whole issue. My own children spent a number of years at St James until recently. Their experiences there were very different to each other, but on the whole p...
by grobchok
Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:33 am
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: anyone interested in REAL philosophy?
Replies: 32
Views: 40744

Lowpass "The point is that you consider SES as a totality 'worthwhile.' " Yes, I do. But I'm only talking about what it is now, and I am expressing a personal opinion. It is worthwhile to me, now. I say that in full awareness of the past, but that isn't the same as saying its entire past history is ...
by grobchok
Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:17 pm
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: anyone interested in REAL philosophy?
Replies: 32
Views: 40744

well call me "banal" but I reckon its all a pile of crap. Colonic irrigation for the mind eh? *g* Perhaps you mean that philosophy (the subject of this post) is a pile of crap. Or that the SES is. You are not terribly clear. And colonic irrigation would presumably be something you would do to get r...
by grobchok
Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:43 pm
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: anyone interested in REAL philosophy?
Replies: 32
Views: 40744

Well lowpass I think it's a bit of a jump from what I have said to supporting the beating of children. You obviously have a few 'issues' there pal. I would refer you to the title of this thread ... I've heard a lot of crap in the SES and I don't doubt that you've been on the wrong end of some of it....
by grobchok
Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:10 am
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: anyone interested in REAL philosophy?
Replies: 32
Views: 40744

Re: Science and philosophy

There was a time when science and philosophy were the same thing. Perhaps about the time of Pythagoras and some time afterwards. Then there was the great divergence, which I suppose was inevitable for science to get the insights that it needed to in order to give the view of the universe we have to...
by grobchok
Sun Oct 10, 2004 10:49 pm
Forum: General discussion of SES
Topic: anyone interested in REAL philosophy?
Replies: 32
Views: 40744

Christoph: I think your view that the outer can be reached through the inner is right. I've been a bit imprecise as well, thanks for pointing that out. What I was trying to say was the opposite - that you can't get to the inner through the outer ... science will never come to the inner by itself. I ...

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